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Rushii: /* Controversy */typo

2024-06-25T18:10:32Z

Controversy: typo

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	Additionally, Discord's Developer terms of service only apply to "access to and use of the [Discord] APIs"<ref>{{Cite web\|url=https://discord.com/developers/docs/policies-and-agreements/developer-terms-of-service\|title=Discord Developer Terms of Service}}</ref>. Since logger plugins entirely rely on data the client ''already has'', these terms can't be applied to them.		Additionally, Discord's Developer terms of service only apply to "access to and use of the [Discord] APIs"<ref>{{Cite web\|url=https://discord.com/developers/docs/policies-and-agreements/developer-terms-of-service\|title=Discord Developer Terms of Service}}</ref>. Since logger plugins entirely rely on data the client ''already has'', these terms can't be applied to them.

	The only applicable term from the terms of service is the disallowance of modifying Discord services, which [[client mods]] themselves break. As this is not unique to message loggers, using this term to single out message loggers is ~~explicitly~~ inappropriate as well.		The only applicable term from the terms of service is the disallowance of modifying Discord services, which [[client mods]] themselves break. As this is not unique to message loggers, using this term to single out message loggers explicitly is inappropriate as well.

	== Citations ==		== Citations ==

Mugman: Grammarly

2024-04-22T16:43:37Z

Grammarly

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	Use of MessageLoggers is very controversial in the community, with multiple [[client mods]] such as [[BetterDiscord]]<ref name="bd-faq">{{Cite web\|url=https://betterdiscord.app/FAQ\|quote=Message loggers are in violation discord's API terms and privacy policy, and can result in account termination. We will not provide such plugins\|title=BetterDiscord FAQ point 11}}</ref> and [[Powercord]]<ref>{{Cite web\|url=https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210314211818/https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-date=2021-03-14\|quote=End User Data of other users must be handled with caution with regards to privacy. For example, logging all deleted messages is prohibited.\|title=Powercord Guidelines point 2}}</ref> prohibiting their usage outright and theme developers who vehemently oppose them have [https://github.com/NYRI4/LilyPichu/commit/49b169d1436c9de9b238f09c1fb72e00418f8141 attempted] to block users of it in the past, only to later revert their changes.		Use of MessageLoggers is very controversial in the community, with multiple [[client mods]] such as [[BetterDiscord]]<ref name="bd-faq">{{Cite web\|url=https://betterdiscord.app/FAQ\|quote=Message loggers are in violation discord's API terms and privacy policy, and can result in account termination. We will not provide such plugins\|title=BetterDiscord FAQ point 11}}</ref> and [[Powercord]]<ref>{{Cite web\|url=https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210314211818/https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-date=2021-03-14\|quote=End User Data of other users must be handled with caution with regards to privacy. For example, logging all deleted messages is prohibited.\|title=Powercord Guidelines point 2}}</ref> prohibiting their usage outright and theme developers who vehemently oppose them have [https://github.com/NYRI4/LilyPichu/commit/49b169d1436c9de9b238f09c1fb72e00418f8141 attempted] to block users of it in the past, only to later revert their changes.

	~~Commonly stated~~ reasons are that they "violate user privacy" and "Discord's privacy policy and API terms", with multiple sources claiming ~~usage of~~ loggers poses a risk to your account.<ref name="bd-faq" />		Common reasons are that they "violate user privacy" and "Discord's privacy policy and API terms," with multiple sources claiming that using loggers poses a risk to your account.<ref name="bd-faq" />

	While the morality of their usage is debatable, claims that message loggers are dangerous is nothing more than blatant disinformation. As all the functionality provided by these plugins is performed client-side, ''without interacting with the API or gateway'', it is ~~simply~~ impossible for these plugins to pose a risk by simply using them.		While the morality of their usage is debatable, claims that message loggers are dangerous are nothing more than blatant disinformation. As all the functionality provided by these plugins is performed client-side, ''without interacting with the API or gateway'', it is impossible for these plugins to pose a risk by simply using them.

	Furthermore, there have been no documented cases of users getting ~~account~~ banned ~~for~~ just for even revealing they use message loggers. As a result, such plugins still see wide usage across practically all client mods, even on those that officially prohibit them.		Furthermore, there have been no documented cases of users getting their accounts banned just for even revealing they use message loggers. As a result, such plugins still see wide usage across practically all client mods, even on those that officially prohibit them.

	Additionally, Discord's Developer terms of service only apply to "access to and use of the [Discord] APIs"<ref>{{Cite web\|url=https://discord.com/developers/docs/policies-and-agreements/developer-terms-of-service\|title=Discord Developer Terms of Service}}</ref>. Since logger plugins entirely rely on data the client ''already has'', these terms can't ~~really~~ be applied to them.		Additionally, Discord's Developer terms of service only apply to "access to and use of the [Discord] APIs"<ref>{{Cite web\|url=https://discord.com/developers/docs/policies-and-agreements/developer-terms-of-service\|title=Discord Developer Terms of Service}}</ref>. Since logger plugins entirely rely on data the client ''already has'', these terms can't be applied to them.

	The only applicable term from the terms of service ~~would be~~ the ~~disallowing~~ of modifying Discord services, which [[client mods]] themselves break. As this is not unique to message loggers, using this term to ~~specifically~~ single out message loggers is inappropriate as well.		The only applicable term from the terms of service is the disallowance of modifying Discord services, which [[client mods]] themselves break. As this is not unique to message loggers, using this term to single out message loggers is explicitly inappropriate as well.

	== Citations ==		== Citations ==

Sqaaakoi: fix example image subtitles + fix position of edited messages example

2024-04-01T07:08:40Z

fix example image subtitles + fix position of edited messages example

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	== Features ==		== Features ==
	[[File:Message_Logger_preview_deleted_messages.png\|alt=This is how deleted messages look like\|thumb\|This is how deleted messages look like]]		[[File:Message_Logger_preview_deleted_messages.png\|alt=This is how deleted messages look like\|thumb\|This is how deleted messages look like]][[File:Message_Logger_Preview_Edited_Messages.png\|alt=This is how Edited Messages looks like\|thumb\|This is how edited messages look like]]

	Message loggers allow users to see:		Message loggers allow users to see:
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	== Controversy ==		== Controversy ==
	~~[[File:Message_Logger_Preview_Edited_Messages.png\|alt=This is how Edited Messages looks like\|thumb\|This is how Edited Messages lo]]~~

	Use of MessageLoggers is very controversial in the community, with multiple [[client mods]] such as [[BetterDiscord]]<ref name="bd-faq">{{Cite web\|url=https://betterdiscord.app/FAQ\|quote=Message loggers are in violation discord's API terms and privacy policy, and can result in account termination. We will not provide such plugins\|title=BetterDiscord FAQ point 11}}</ref> and [[Powercord]]<ref>{{Cite web\|url=https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210314211818/https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-date=2021-03-14\|quote=End User Data of other users must be handled with caution with regards to privacy. For example, logging all deleted messages is prohibited.\|title=Powercord Guidelines point 2}}</ref> prohibiting their usage outright and theme developers who vehemently oppose them have [https://github.com/NYRI4/LilyPichu/commit/49b169d1436c9de9b238f09c1fb72e00418f8141 attempted] to block users of it in the past, only to later revert their changes.		Use of MessageLoggers is very controversial in the community, with multiple [[client mods]] such as [[BetterDiscord]]<ref name="bd-faq">{{Cite web\|url=https://betterdiscord.app/FAQ\|quote=Message loggers are in violation discord's API terms and privacy policy, and can result in account termination. We will not provide such plugins\|title=BetterDiscord FAQ point 11}}</ref> and [[Powercord]]<ref>{{Cite web\|url=https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210314211818/https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-date=2021-03-14\|quote=End User Data of other users must be handled with caution with regards to privacy. For example, logging all deleted messages is prohibited.\|title=Powercord Guidelines point 2}}</ref> prohibiting their usage outright and theme developers who vehemently oppose them have [https://github.com/NYRI4/LilyPichu/commit/49b169d1436c9de9b238f09c1fb72e00418f8141 attempted] to block users of it in the past, only to later revert their changes.

Rushii: Elaborate on claims about danger of message loggers

2024-03-28T08:11:40Z

Elaborate on claims about danger of message loggers

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	Commonly stated reasons are that they "violate user privacy" and "Discord's privacy policy and API terms", with multiple sources claiming usage of loggers poses a risk to your account.<ref name="bd-faq" />		Commonly stated reasons are that they "violate user privacy" and "Discord's privacy policy and API terms", with multiple sources claiming usage of loggers poses a risk to your account.<ref name="bd-faq" />

	~~However~~, ~~there~~ are ~~no documented cases of users getting banned~~ for ~~just~~ using ~~loggers and such plugins still see wide usage across clientmods, even on those that prohibit~~ them.		While the morality of their usage is debatable, claims that message loggers are dangerous is nothing more than blatant disinformation. As all the functionality provided by these plugins is performed client-side, ''without interacting with the API or gateway'', it is simply impossible for these plugins to pose a risk by simply using them.

	Furthermore, Discord's Developer terms of service only apply to "access to and use of the [Discord] APIs"<ref>{{Cite web\|url=https://discord.com/developers/docs/policies-and-agreements/developer-terms-of-service\|title=Discord Developer Terms of Service}}</ref>. Since logger plugins ~~function~~ entirely ~~offline~~, these terms can't really be applied to them.		Furthermore, there have been no documented cases of users getting account banned for just for even revealing they use message loggers. As a result, such plugins still see wide usage across practically all client mods, even on those that officially prohibit them.

			Additionally, Discord's Developer terms of service only apply to "access to and use of the [Discord] APIs"<ref>{{Cite web\|url=https://discord.com/developers/docs/policies-and-agreements/developer-terms-of-service\|title=Discord Developer Terms of Service}}</ref>. Since logger plugins entirely rely on data the client ''already has'', these terms can't really be applied to them.

			The only applicable term from the terms of service would be the disallowing of modifying Discord services, which [[client mods]] themselves break. As this is not unique to message loggers, using this term to specifically single out message loggers is inappropriate as well.

	== Citations ==		== Citations ==

Taskylizard: Add theme dev mlv2 drama

2024-03-27T18:09:00Z

Add theme dev mlv2 drama

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	[[File:Message_Logger_Preview_Edited_Messages.png\|alt=This is how Edited Messages looks like\|thumb\|This is how Edited Messages lo]]		[[File:Message_Logger_Preview_Edited_Messages.png\|alt=This is how Edited Messages looks like\|thumb\|This is how Edited Messages lo]]

	Use of MessageLoggers is very controversial in the community, with multiple [[client mods]] such as [[BetterDiscord]]<ref name="bd-faq">{{Cite web\|url=https://betterdiscord.app/FAQ\|quote=Message loggers are in violation discord's API terms and privacy policy, and can result in account termination. We will not provide such plugins\|title=BetterDiscord FAQ point 11}}</ref> and [[Powercord]]<ref>{{Cite web\|url=https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210314211818/https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-date=2021-03-14\|quote=End User Data of other users must be handled with caution with regards to privacy. For example, logging all deleted messages is prohibited.\|title=Powercord Guidelines point 2}}</ref> prohibiting their usage outright.		Use of MessageLoggers is very controversial in the community, with multiple [[client mods]] such as [[BetterDiscord]]<ref name="bd-faq">{{Cite web\|url=https://betterdiscord.app/FAQ\|quote=Message loggers are in violation discord's API terms and privacy policy, and can result in account termination. We will not provide such plugins\|title=BetterDiscord FAQ point 11}}</ref> and [[Powercord]]<ref>{{Cite web\|url=https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210314211818/https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-date=2021-03-14\|quote=End User Data of other users must be handled with caution with regards to privacy. For example, logging all deleted messages is prohibited.\|title=Powercord Guidelines point 2}}</ref> prohibiting their usage outright and theme developers who vehemently oppose them have [https://github.com/NYRI4/LilyPichu/commit/49b169d1436c9de9b238f09c1fb72e00418f8141 attempted] to block users of it in the past, only to later revert their changes.

	Commonly stated reasons are that they "violate user privacy" and "Discord's privacy policy and API terms", with multiple sources claiming usage of loggers poses a risk to your account.<ref name="bd-faq" />		Commonly stated reasons are that they "violate user privacy" and "Discord's privacy policy and API terms", with multiple sources claiming usage of loggers poses a risk to your account.<ref name="bd-faq" />

Vendicated: powercord faq -> powercord guidelines

2024-03-27T17:48:34Z

powercord faq -> powercord guidelines

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	[[File:Message_Logger_Preview_Edited_Messages.png\|alt=This is how Edited Messages looks like\|thumb\|This is how Edited Messages lo]]		[[File:Message_Logger_Preview_Edited_Messages.png\|alt=This is how Edited Messages looks like\|thumb\|This is how Edited Messages lo]]

	Use of MessageLoggers is very controversial in the community, with multiple [[client mods]] such as [[BetterDiscord]]<ref name="bd-faq">{{Cite web\|url=https://betterdiscord.app/FAQ\|quote=Message loggers are in violation discord's API terms and privacy policy, and can result in account termination. We will not provide such plugins\|title=BetterDiscord FAQ point 11}}</ref> and [[Powercord]]<ref>{{Cite web\|url=https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210314211818/https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-date=2021-03-14\|quote=End User Data of other users must be handled with caution with regards to privacy. For example, logging all deleted messages is prohibited.\|title=Powercord ~~FAQ~~ point 2}}</ref> prohibiting their usage outright.		Use of MessageLoggers is very controversial in the community, with multiple [[client mods]] such as [[BetterDiscord]]<ref name="bd-faq">{{Cite web\|url=https://betterdiscord.app/FAQ\|quote=Message loggers are in violation discord's API terms and privacy policy, and can result in account termination. We will not provide such plugins\|title=BetterDiscord FAQ point 11}}</ref> and [[Powercord]]<ref>{{Cite web\|url=https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210314211818/https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-date=2021-03-14\|quote=End User Data of other users must be handled with caution with regards to privacy. For example, logging all deleted messages is prohibited.\|title=Powercord Guidelines point 2}}</ref> prohibiting their usage outright.

	Commonly stated reasons are that they "violate user privacy" and "Discord's privacy policy and API terms", with multiple sources claiming usage of loggers poses a risk to your account.<ref name="bd-faq" />		Commonly stated reasons are that they "violate user privacy" and "Discord's privacy policy and API terms", with multiple sources claiming usage of loggers poses a risk to your account.<ref name="bd-faq" />

Vendicated: add to plugins category

2024-03-27T17:47:37Z

add to plugins category

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	== Citations ==		== Citations ==
	<references />		<references />

			[[Category:Plugins]]

Vendicated at 17:45, 27 March 2024

2024-03-27T17:45:44Z

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	[[File:Message_Logger_Preview_Edited_Messages.png\|alt=This is how Edited Messages looks like\|thumb\|This is how Edited Messages lo]]		[[File:Message_Logger_Preview_Edited_Messages.png\|alt=This is how Edited Messages looks like\|thumb\|This is how Edited Messages lo]]

	Use of MessageLoggers is very controversial in the community, with multiple [[client mods]] such as [[BetterDiscord]]<ref name="bd-faq">{{Cite web\|url=https://betterdiscord.app/FAQ\|quote=Message loggers are in violation discord's API terms and privacy policy, and can result in account termination. We will not provide such plugins\|title=BetterDiscord FAQ point 11}}</ref> and [[Powercord]]<ref>{{Cite web\|url=https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210314211818/https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-date=2021-03-14\|quote=End User Data of other users must be handled with caution with regards to privacy. For example, logging all deleted messages is prohibited.\|title=Powercord FAQ point 2}}</ref> ~~banning them~~ outright.		Use of MessageLoggers is very controversial in the community, with multiple [[client mods]] such as [[BetterDiscord]]<ref name="bd-faq">{{Cite web\|url=https://betterdiscord.app/FAQ\|quote=Message loggers are in violation discord's API terms and privacy policy, and can result in account termination. We will not provide such plugins\|title=BetterDiscord FAQ point 11}}</ref> and [[Powercord]]<ref>{{Cite web\|url=https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210314211818/https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-date=2021-03-14\|quote=End User Data of other users must be handled with caution with regards to privacy. For example, logging all deleted messages is prohibited.\|title=Powercord FAQ point 2}}</ref> prohibiting their usage outright.

	Commonly stated reasons are that they "violate user privacy" and "Discord's privacy policy and API terms", with multiple sources claiming usage of loggers poses a risk to your account.<ref name="bd-faq" />		Commonly stated reasons are that they "violate user privacy" and "Discord's privacy policy and API terms", with multiple sources claiming usage of loggers poses a risk to your account.<ref name="bd-faq" />

	However, there are no documented cases of users getting banned for just using loggers and such plugins still see wide usage across clientmods.		However, there are no documented cases of users getting banned for just using loggers and such plugins still see wide usage across clientmods, even on those that prohibit them.

	Furthermore, Discord's Developer terms of service only apply to "access to and use of the [Discord] APIs"<ref>{{Cite web\|url=https://discord.com/developers/docs/policies-and-agreements/developer-terms-of-service\|title=Discord Developer Terms of Service}}</ref>. Since logger plugins function entirely offline, these terms can't really be applied to them.		Furthermore, Discord's Developer terms of service only apply to "access to and use of the [Discord] APIs"<ref>{{Cite web\|url=https://discord.com/developers/docs/policies-and-agreements/developer-terms-of-service\|title=Discord Developer Terms of Service}}</ref>. Since logger plugins function entirely offline, these terms can't really be applied to them.

Vendicated: improve citations

2024-03-27T17:44:13Z

improve citations

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	[[File:Message_Logger_Preview_Edited_Messages.png\|alt=This is how Edited Messages looks like\|thumb\|This is how Edited Messages lo]]		[[File:Message_Logger_Preview_Edited_Messages.png\|alt=This is how Edited Messages looks like\|thumb\|This is how Edited Messages lo]]

	Use of MessageLoggers is very controversial in the community, with multiple [[client mods]] such as [[BetterDiscord]] and [[Powercord]] banning them outright.		Use of MessageLoggers is very controversial in the community, with multiple [[client mods]] such as [[BetterDiscord]]<ref name="bd-faq">{{Cite web\|url=https://betterdiscord.app/FAQ\|quote=Message loggers are in violation discord's API terms and privacy policy, and can result in account termination. We will not provide such plugins\|title=BetterDiscord FAQ point 11}}</ref> and [[Powercord]]<ref>{{Cite web\|url=https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210314211818/https://powercord.dev/guidelines\|archive-date=2021-03-14\|quote=End User Data of other users must be handled with caution with regards to privacy. For example, logging all deleted messages is prohibited.\|title=Powercord FAQ point 2}}</ref> banning them outright.

	Commonly stated reasons are that they "violate user privacy" and "Discord's privacy policy and API terms"~~<ref>{{Cite web\|url=https://betterdiscord.app/FAQ\|title=BetterDiscord FAQ point 11}}</ref>~~, with multiple sources claiming usage of loggers poses a risk to your account.		Commonly stated reasons are that they "violate user privacy" and "Discord's privacy policy and API terms", with multiple sources claiming usage of loggers poses a risk to your account.<ref name="bd-faq" />

	However, there are no documented cases of users getting banned for just using loggers and such plugins still see wide usage across clientmods.		However, there are no documented cases of users getting banned for just using loggers and such plugins still see wide usage across clientmods.

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2024-03-27T17:30:29Z

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	~~[https://vencord.dev/~~plugins~~/MessageLogger MessageLogger] is a plugin~~ that ~~allows~~ users to view ~~recently~~ deleted & edited messages.		Message Loggers are plugins that allow users to view deleted & edited Discord messages.

	== Features ==		== Features ==
	[[File:Message_Logger_preview_deleted_messages.png\|alt=This is how deleted messages look like\|thumb\|This is how deleted messages look like]]		[[File:Message_Logger_preview_deleted_messages.png\|alt=This is how deleted messages look like\|thumb\|This is how deleted messages look like]]
	Message ~~logger allows~~ users to see:
			Message loggers allow users to see:
	* Recently deleted messages. A red text indicates the deleted messages.		* Recently deleted messages. A red text indicates the deleted messages.

	* Recently edited messages. A gray text indicates the edited message.		* Recently edited messages. A gray text indicates the edited message.

	== Versions ==		== Versions (selection) ==

	* [https://1lighty.github.io/BetterDiscordStuff/?plugin=MessageLoggerV2 BetterDiscord ~~version~~ by ~~Lightly~~]		* [https://1lighty.github.io/BetterDiscordStuff/?plugin=MessageLoggerV2 MessageLoggerV2], a [[BetterDiscord]] plugin by [[Lighty]]
	* [https://github.com/Juby210/Aliucord-plugins Aliucord ~~version~~ by Juby]		* [https://github.com/Juby210/Aliucord-plugins MessageLogger], an [[Aliucord]] plugin by [[Juby]]
	* [https://vencord.dev/plugins/MessageLogger Vencord ~~version~~ by rushii]		* [https://vencord.dev/plugins/MessageLogger MessageLogger], a [[Vencord]] plugin by [[rushii]]

	== Controversy ==		== Controversy ==